Comments on: Shabbat Shalom – ו׳ בְּנִיסָן תשס״ח http://simchattorah.wordpress.com/2008/04/11/shabbat-shalom-%d7%95%d7%b3-%d7%91%d6%bc%d6%b0%d7%a0%d6%b4%d7%99%d7%a1%d6%b8%d7%9f-%d7%aa%d7%a9%d7%a1%d7%b4%d7%97/ שמחת תורה Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:12:18 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Bill Isom http://simchattorah.wordpress.com/2008/04/11/shabbat-shalom-%d7%95%d7%b3-%d7%91%d6%bc%d6%b0%d7%a0%d6%b4%d7%99%d7%a1%d6%b8%d7%9f-%d7%aa%d7%a9%d7%a1%d7%b4%d7%97/#comment-127 Bill Isom Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:53:51 +0000 http://simchattorah.wordpress.com/?p=92#comment-127 In response to Brad's April 18, 2009 to Jason. In my humble opinion, one should consider Jason's honest hearted spirit reqarding his comment about Jewish People following Talmud; therefore one must "read between the lines" so to speak. Regarding Yeshua being God, I would encourage anyone to honestly study available materials starting in the first century BC forward. Arius is a good place to start. Yeshua did not come to start a new religon. Since the first century BC, man's pagan thoughts have slowly but surely influenced "Christian" thinking. Thank you, Jason for helping me understand why we should use the name Yeshua. In response to Brad’s April 18, 2009 to Jason. In my
humble opinion, one should consider Jason’s honest hearted spirit reqarding his comment about Jewish People following Talmud; therefore one must “read between the lines” so to speak.

Regarding Yeshua being God, I would encourage anyone to honestly study available materials starting in the
first century BC forward. Arius is a good place to start. Yeshua did not come to start a new religon. Since the first century BC, man’s pagan thoughts have
slowly but surely influenced “Christian” thinking.

Thank you, Jason for helping me understand why we should use the name Yeshua.

]]> By: Brad Thomas http://simchattorah.wordpress.com/2008/04/11/shabbat-shalom-%d7%95%d7%b3-%d7%91%d6%bc%d6%b0%d7%a0%d6%b4%d7%99%d7%a1%d6%b8%d7%9f-%d7%aa%d7%a9%d7%a1%d7%b4%d7%97/#comment-126 Brad Thomas Sat, 18 Apr 2009 10:32:46 +0000 http://simchattorah.wordpress.com/?p=92#comment-126 Interesting blog, and many things I agree with you on. Indeed when we are exposed to the roots of the faith (the Hebraic roots of Christianity) we must reject many "christian" ideas in the name of scriptural and historical truth. But I take issue with a statement you make on your "about the author" page where you say that it would be nice if all Jews recognized Jesus (Yeshua) as the Messiah (agreed so far) and then you go on to state that faith in Yeshua as Messiah is for them not necessary as long as they are practicing Torah, because Yeshua is the Living torah. Are you absolutely sure you're right about that very important point? We must be able to distinguish between the Messiah, who's "yoke" or interpretation of Torah, was light, and the actual written Torah of Moses. The two are not exactly the same, and to blend them together so as to say that Jews keeping Torah are already saved is deceptive. Acts 4:12 says "there is no other name by which we must be saved". John 3:16 says "that whosoever believe in him should not perish but have everlasting life" By sending the message to Jews that they do not actually need to have faith in Yeshua you give them a false sense of salvation, storing up wrath for yourself and steering them astray of the truth. The messianic movement is a great move of God in our present times, but there is a danger also of "messy antics" such as: 1. teaching that Yeshua is not God 2. teaching that Yeshua is not even necessary as long as Torah is kept 3. teaching that Torah is more important than the Gospel (go into any Messianic congregation and compare their evangelism to the average evangelical congregation - often you will find the are so involved in discussions of how to tie tzit-tzits and such that they've forgotten to outreach to their unsaved neighbors). Thanks for listening - Interesting blog, and many things I agree with you on. Indeed when we are exposed to the roots of the faith (the Hebraic roots of Christianity) we must reject many “christian” ideas in the name of scriptural and historical truth.

But I take issue with a statement you make on your “about the author” page where you say that it would be nice if all Jews recognized Jesus (Yeshua) as the Messiah (agreed so far) and then you go on to state that faith in Yeshua as Messiah is for them not necessary as long as they are practicing Torah, because Yeshua is the Living torah.

Are you absolutely sure you’re right about that very important point?

We must be able to distinguish between the Messiah, who’s “yoke” or interpretation of Torah, was light, and the actual written Torah of Moses. The two are not exactly the same, and to blend them together so as to say that Jews keeping Torah are already saved is deceptive.

Acts 4:12 says “there is no other name by which we must be saved”.

John 3:16 says “that whosoever believe in him should not perish but have everlasting life”

By sending the message to Jews that they do not actually need to have faith in Yeshua you give them a false sense of salvation, storing up wrath for yourself and steering them astray of the truth.

The messianic movement is a great move of God in our present times, but there is a danger also of “messy antics” such as:
1. teaching that Yeshua is not God
2. teaching that Yeshua is not even necessary as long as Torah is kept
3. teaching that Torah is more important than the Gospel (go into any Messianic congregation and compare their evangelism to the average evangelical congregation – often you will find the are so involved in discussions of how to tie tzit-tzits and such that they’ve forgotten to outreach to their unsaved neighbors).

Thanks for listening -

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